Are Flip tops any good??

[T-ViBeR]

Are these any good and can they play all cd rom n dvd games.

[Ogs]

IMHO they are a good form of modchip especially for the noobie (im not implying you are) as they are easy to install and use , so if u dont want to risk knackering up ur ps2 soldering or if u cant actually solder then id suggest it as the way to go for you ...

as for compatability with games check out www.swapmagicfix.com (http://www.swapmagicfix.com)

[Jesterrace]

My recommendations are the following: 1. Get a good soldered modchip and install it yourself. 2. If you can't solder it, find a trusted installer. 3. If you aren't able to do the first two for one reason or another then go the fliptop/swapmagic route. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying Swap Magic is worthless. It is a great option if you aren't capable of the first two options listed above. With that said, there are more problems in general with the swap magic. You have to worry about TOC sizes, patching games, ect. While this isn't necessarily hard to do, it is something you have to keep in mind all of the time. If you have a good soldered chip, you just do a straight 1:1 backup (unless the game is one of the select few DVD9 games) and it will work. No swapping, ect.

[Ogs]

yep forgot to add that point

it aint half annoying swapping discs all of the time .. its manageable @ first but then when u need 5 disc swaps just to load up a game (using cdloader as well) it does get fustrating.

but as said b4 still it is a nice mod but there are alot better out there

[Jesterrace]

I agree that for the most part the swapping wouldn't be that much of a hassle. I actually considered it at one point, until I saw that there was a growing list of games that were going to require the multiple disc swap methods and that put me off of the swap/fliptop method. Once again, I am not saying it isn't worth doing, it is certainly better than having a console that can't play backups, but I am just saying that it isn't a strightforward setup like the swap method on the old PSX.

[jdzworld]

ive been away for a while and just heard about this new forum(lol). isnt that fliptop the ps2 that gets past dnas though?

[Jesterrace]

No. It's the code that you use to get past the DNAS. All you need to do is D/L the file and then patch your games with it.

[jdzworld]

No. It's the code that you use to get past the DNAS. All you need to do is D/L the file and then patch your games with it.omg, im just now catching up w/ the last 4 months on this forum(s). i just found out about this one 2 days ago. what was i thinking by not coming? so youre saying every1 can get past dnas(w/ the code & patch youre talking about)? ive got a star chip(a swap chip)..can i get past dnas w/ that patch youre talking about? i was thinking u said u had to be able to turn off the chip when u go online or something. lmk. thx. i only buy dvdrs cuz i dont have dvdr burner. so i only can patch a cdr. any traders u know that incorparate these patched dvdrs?

[Jesterrace]

Um no I don't know of any. I suggest that it is high time that you save up and buy a DVD Burner. No excuse when burners are as cheap as they are now. (Pioneer 107s are just over $100). You can get the patch by doing a search over at PS2ownz. ;)

[jdzworld]

Um no I don't know of any. I suggest that it is high time that you save up and buy a DVD Burner. No excuse when burners are as cheap as they are now. (Pioneer 107s are just over $100). You can get the patch by doing a search over at PS2ownz. ;)haha, you are soo silly. omg, i cant believe the dvd burners are soo cheap now. i guess ive been in a box for a while. i gotta see if i have enough room in the cpu. i got a zip,cd burner,cdrom,etc and dont want to replace one. but let me clarify this w/ u. u are saying that my starchip will be able to play a dvdr backup w/ dnas online(as long as i patch it up)?? i also thought some1 said sony would fix it so that u arent able to go online w/ backup much longer. is that true? prolly not...lol.
thx, i should send u a gift(lol)

[PS2Daddy]

Wont work with a starchip since you cant shut it off

Chip has to be able to shut itself off after so long like the messiah 2 and or (DMS3 if I am not mistaken) and a few others

*Actually If you put a switch in line with your power wire of the chip you can shut the chip but it still might not work but I have never tried it

In the begining a certain person/group tried to claim that this (the playing of DNAS backups) would only work if you used a non chip boot method since they only tested it with one or 2 chips (and it didnt work) and it helped to promote the sales of the flip top and swap disks.

Fliptop and swap disks do work goto www.swapmagicfix.com (http://www.swapmagicfix.com/) to see which games will or wont work depending on your ps2 version and what game it is

I prefer a chip anyday since I can solder but its different strokes for different folks and to each his own:cheers:

[jdzworld]

thats what i was thinking(i read it somewhere here)...that u have to shut off chip after u go online(or chip has to shutoff). otherwise, mod would be detected and u wont be able to play. im gonna now look into messiah2 and dms3!! if all i gotta do is patch an image to get online w/ backup, ill definetely do that?! i already gotta replace my laser(1st time..it lasted since ps2 launch)

i just looked at dms3 site and found it said sleep mode(to hide chip) will only work w/ originals online. im assuming the online patcher may fix that though?.

[Gohan5052]

I prefer a chip anyday since I can solder but its different strokes for different folks and to each his own:cheers:

please dont my mom says that :( and this is the one place i go to get away

[PS2Daddy]

thats what i was thinking(i read it somewhere here)...that u have to shut off chip after u go online(or chip has to shutoff). otherwise, mod would be detected and u wont be able to play. im gonna now look into messiah2 and dms3!! if all i gotta do is patch an image to get online w/ backup, ill definetely do that?! i already gotta replace my laser(1st time..it lasted since ps2 launch)

i just looked at dms3 site and found it said sleep mode(to hide chip) will only work w/ originals online. im assuming the online patcher may fix that though?.

The DMS3 chip shuts off about 90 seconds after you boot if i am not mistaken so you can play your patched DNAS backups online if you like or you can put the chip into sleep mode and play your originals also.

[PS2Daddy]

please dont my mom says that :( and this is the one place i go to get away

LOL
:D

[jdzworld]

omg guys. i really thank u for your help!! im now starting to feel like im supposed to be here again(lol). i think ive caught up w/ most of whats been going on in the scene.

[jdzworld]

im getting kinda nervous. i just read sony is banning ps2's online for using same disc id's(public ones...ud be an idiot to post them online). hopefully ill be ok as i dont plan on doing that!!

[psibob84]

aparently its only disk id's that get posted on public websites and/or used used alot that they are basing the bannings on.
but dont take that as gospel

[PS2Daddy]

im getting kinda nervous. i just read sony is banning ps2's online for using same disc id's(public ones...ud be an idiot to post them online). hopefully ill be ok as i dont plan on doing that!!
Any game that I really want to play online I just buy it and if you scratch it then you can use a disk doctor to remove the scratches I dont bother with using a backup of my originals for that.

[Jesterrace]

In regaurds to the banning that is only on certain games. The deal is that some games use different codes whereas most only use a single code. So the long and the short of it is that most games will be just fine with the DNAS patch, however some games do require independent codes and that is where you can run into trouble. I'm not sure if they have a list of these games that use independent codes yet though.

[Ogs]

how would sony tell the difference between the legitimate DNAS code and the one on the patched back up??

i dont expect anyone to actually know but someone might have a vague idea


and if i wanted to play my backup online is there a way i can find out wha the DNAS code for that game is????? (NOT a publicly released ID)

[jdzworld]

im not worried about it too much now that i see several peeps on these boards said theyve been just fine. i heard that socom is a title to watch out for online though. i cant play that online anyway as i dont have broadband. ill be cool though w/ the others!!!

[Danby]

What does installing the flip lid invlove?

[LiquidMercury]

What does installing the flip lid invlove?
6 seconds on Google garnished this (http://www.chipzone.com/installation/playstation2/fliptop/page1.cfm) result, bub. Also has instructions on how to use the swap disc as well.

- Merc.

[The Wizzard]

Lots of Opinions from guys who HAVE modchips, I don't have a chip but I love the flip lid/swap magic combination.
Don't listen to these guys UNLESS you're confident with soldering a modchip(this is extremely tricky and risky).
Most game backups are playable using the swap magic 3.0 cd/2.0 dvd combination and although it can involve a couple of disc swaps, it only takes a few seconds and seeing as your likely to be playing the game for sometime after that what's the problem?

So unless you can't wait and don't mind taking the risk of ending up with a dead ps2, stick with the flip lid.

[LiquidMercury]

I didn't see anywhere in the members original question stating he only wanted flip-top owners to reply to his question? Of course you're going to get other people's perspective on any given question here. I think you're taking the views here a little too defensively. Modchip envy perhaps? :laugh: J/k.

- Merc.

[Gohan5052]

the ultimate chip now is a cd! HDLoader you should get that and then you could put all your games one 1 hard drive. i just got the program PS2 :OS from ps2newz.net and put it on there and so far with that you can manage files on your hdd mc cd dvd and even pen drive! you can copy and launch ps2 apps and all that good stuff. I just made a cd with a bunch of ps2 apps like pgen snes reality player the ftp program and a bunch of roms so now i have everything i need to do whatever i want.

[handyguy]

When the ps2 first came out I told people you could just take the top off the ps2 & the top off the drive then you have access to swap disks easily. This didn't catch on but after 3 years thats when the top lid thing came around. I wonder if its necessary since you could just do what I said?

[Ogs]

yeah but you would need somewhere for that wite disc + magnet, or were you told to replace it afterwards?

[LiquidMercury]

When the ps2 first came out I told people you could just take the top off the ps2 & the top off the drive then you have access to swap disks easily. This didn't catch on but after 3 years thats when the top lid thing came around. I wonder if its necessary since you could just do what I said?
Guess you're kicking yourself now that you didn't patent your brilliant idea huh? :laugh:

- Merc. ;)

[richierich09]

you don't need somewhere for the white magnetic disc to be, it will work by itself. Actually before flip tops came out, I cut a hole in my ps2 and removed top of dvd drive and swaped with the swap disks. I just placed/remove white disk everytime from backup disk... that is a cheap route for anyone thats wants to do it. it works. But i eventually got my flip top. I pre-ordered it, when it was still an idea in someone's head. :D

About the whole flip-top thing, here is my opinion.
If you are a HUGE gamer and buy every single game out for the ps2 then try to get it modded because eventually you will get tired of swapping. But if you are an occassional gamer then 3-5 secs of swaping is not alot to cry about.

Both modchip and fliptops get the job done. They both have their benefits. With flip top you can play DNAS patched games easily without a problem. On the other hand, only certain chips allow you to play online. Alot of games work for flip top but of course there are a certain amount that don't but there are patches and stuff to make them work. So eventually they all work including ps2 emulators, imports and stuff.

Also if money is an issue, flip top is the cheaper route. $35-40 compared to 70-90 bucks to have someone install a modchip and for the chip itself.

I am currently using a harddrive. I am not a huge gamer so having about 25 games on the hardrive is good enough. Works great.. no swapping, no carrying disks around or anything. I just take my HDD to my friends house when I want to play him. Pretty cool and convenient.

[Ogs]

you don't need somewhere for the white magnetic disc to be, it will work by itself are you sure???? doesnt the ps2 trap the disc between the spindle bit on the laser and the magnet on the reverse of the "white disc" so it doesnt move side 2 side while the disc is spinning. or thats what i thought as i popped my magnet and it took me 3 days to suss out how it went in the disc and what way round.

and im sure i tried it without it in at all, but if you have done it b4 then i must be mistaken.

[richierich09]

are you sure???? doesnt the ps2 trap the disc between the spindle bit on the laser and the magnet on the reverse of the "white disc" so it doesnt move side 2 side while the disc is spinning. or thats what i thought as i popped my magnet and it took me 3 days to suss out how it went in the disc and what way round.

and im sure i tried it without it in at all, but if you have done it b4 then i must be mistaken.yeah it works. Under the flip top there is a holder that looks pretty close to the original DVD drive top. So basically if you notice, the white disk can move around freely but once the magnet hits the laser/spinner it won't move at all ( not side to side either)

hey I noticed your sig. I have some of the same stuff you do. I have nvidia 64mb card, 512 sd ram, Athlon 1.3, 40 gb hardrive, Pioneer A06 dvd-rw
probably won't upgrade till a good while.

[Jesterrace]

Lots of Opinions from guys who HAVE modchips, I don't have a chip but I love the flip lid/swap magic combination.
Don't listen to these guys UNLESS you're confident with soldering a modchip(this is extremely tricky and risky).
Most game backups are playable using the swap magic 3.0 cd/2.0 dvd combination and although it can involve a couple of disc swaps, it only takes a few seconds and seeing as your likely to be playing the game for sometime after that what's the problem?

So unless you can't wait and don't mind taking the risk of ending up with a dead ps2, stick with the flip lid.
Obviously, you didn't read what I said. I pointed out that only an experienced solderer should attempt to modify a PS2. It is no easy task and I recognize that. I also pointed out that there are a number of trusted installers out there who could do this for you. Thereby virtually eliminating all risk for yourself. I recognize that doing a swap isn't that much of a hassle or very time consuming but some games now require multiple swaps which would be a royal pain in the arse. In addition some games that are played via swap magic/flip-top methods require patching. IMHO the way to go now if you don't want to solder is the HD Loader method. Greatly reduces the number of swaps and then you get the ease and convenience of HD applications.