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[Dave2986]

Hay what happened to 3jams?

[Lazza]

Hay what happened to 3jams?He went on the Atkins Diet m8! :laugh:




J/K jams, sorry could not resist that one. :clown:

[jams]

Hay what happened to 3jams?
Got tired of people asking what it meant, so I just dropped it and went with jams. :p

He went on the Atkins Diet m8! :laugh:Actually I am on Atkins and it's working great so far :) Has nothing to do with the name change though ;)

[Jesterrace]

Err, Atkins died at 55. :eek:

[Lazza]

Went on it myself and lost 2 1/2 stone in 2 months.... put it all back on though, damn that :beer: is hard to give up. :D

It does work though for sure and people who knock it don't know what they are on about, hell now we've finally got Michelob Ultra - low carb beer in the UK a year + after it's launch in the US I might give it another shot.

[jams]

Err, Atkins died at 55. :eek:
He didn't die from his diet, it was from head trauma cause by falling on ice.

[Lazza]

And he was a lot older than that too, 73 in fact. ;)

[Elaine]

Michelob Ultra is just like drinking water, I wouldn't ever classify it as watery American beer. It's much worse than that :(

Went on it myself and lost 2 1/2 stone in 2 months.... put it all back on though, damn that :beer: is hard to give up. :D

It does work though for sure and people who knock it don't know what they are on about, hell now we've finally got Michelob Ultra - low carb beer in the UK a year + after it's launch in the US I might give it another shot.

[jams]

Michelob Ultra is just like drinking water, I wouldn't ever classify it as watery American beer. It's much worse than that :(
Michelob is sh*t beer anyway. I stick to my Makers Mark and diet cola for the ultimate low carb drink ;)

[jams]

wow we've really took this post way OT.

[GameGirl]

Michelob is sh*t beer anyway. I stick to my Makers Mark and diet cola for the ultimate low carb drink ;)

Oh! Makers Mark!!! I love you, jams!!! :) :) :)

[Elaine]

Jams I had no idea that you loved Makers Mark also! :laugh:
I introduced GG to it when she was here to visit. But why ruin it with diet cola? And we're getting WAY off topic, so I'll shut up now. :D

[jams]

Oh! Makers Mark!!! I love you, jams!!! :) :) :)I alway knew you had a thing for me ;) :p

But why ruin it with diet cola?diet cola has no carbs so its Atkins friendly. If I'm really out to get trashed I drink it straight on the rocks.

[smokafatty]

Sure atkins diet works, but that doesn't mean its healthy.

[jams]

I've split this off of the other topic so that we can continue :)

Sure atkins diet works, but that doesn't mean its healthy.Please state your proof that it's not healthy. I like to debate against Atkins haters :p

[smokafatty]

lol, I love a good debate, but I'm afraid I know next to nothing of the atkins diet. Back about 2-3 years ago when it started getting popular I was in a university nutrition class where the teacher bad mouthed atkins. I didn't pay attention much to it back then but last year I was in a upper level philosophy class called "contemporary moral issues". We had a section about issues with eating animals and focused quite some time on the nutrition of eating meat. Well the instructor spent a whole lecture on how bad the atkins diet is. Since it wasn't going to be on the test I can't really remember exactly what he said about the diet but he was pretty convincing. So sorry I have no proof for you. But I do have a question

If atkins diet is so great, why was he overweight when he died?

obtained from the New York City medical examiner's office showed that the diet guru was obese when he died last April from the complications of a fall. Atkins' supporters said he gained more than 60 pounds from fluid retention after falling into a coma and eventually dying at age 72.
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=%5CNation%5Carchive%5C200402%5 CNAT20040212b.html

[jams]

He weighed less than 200 lbs. at the time of his accident. Last I knew that wasn't obese for a 72 year old man.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/02/10/atkins.widow/index.html

Trager said the weight cited in the medical report was added between the time of Atkins' accident and his death. He said Atkins weighed less than 200 pounds at the time he was injured.
"During his coma, as he deteriorated and his major organs failed, fluid retention and bloating dramatically distorted his body and left him at 258 pounds at the time of his death, a documented weight gain of over 60 pounds," the doctor said in a written statement. "How and why the Journal reported that he was obese remains the only unanswered question in this pathetic situation."

Trager said the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine should have "understood that this was not obesity."
Here's another link for you with pictures of Atkins just months before he died. Does he look obese to you?
http://business2.blogs.com/business2blog/2004/02/was_atkins_real.html

[Mr Snatcher]

My GF is on it, she weighs a buck 30 http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0903/fragend/confused-smiley-013.gif Why do girls always think there fat???

[jams]

Also I can't find my source but I read that the group who gave the medical report to the Wall Street Journal was actually a vegetarian group who has tried their hardest to discredit Atkins in the past.

Makes sense that a vegitarian group would hate a man who pushes meat as the main part of his diet.

[Virgin San]

My GF is on it, she weighs a buck 30 http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0903/fragend/confused-smiley-013.gif Why do girls always think there fat???
I think you are mistaking what you paid for your girlfriend with her weight buddy.

Unless you meant a BUICK ... keep her off those gummi's :insane:

;)

[smokafatty]

fluid retention and bloating dramatically distorted his body and left him at 258 poundsBet that was quite a sight.

Also didn't he have a heart attack before?

[jams]

Yes he did have a heart attack but it was never linked to his diet. It was said to be due to cardiomyopathy, which is a disease of the heart muscle that is commonly caused by viral infections.

[Acheron]

Yes he did have a heart attack but it was never linked to his diet. It was said to be due to cardiomyopathy, which is a disease of the heart muscle that is commonly caused by viral infections.

Of course ... I'm sure it had nothing to do with the 15 lbs of lard he was consuming daily on his own diet. ;) US gov't can't make up its mind about the Atkins diet ... one minute they are in full support, the next minute they are against anything mroe than a 2 month stint, then back again. Idea of eating mostly fish is a bit sketchy as well considering the mercury content in many types of fish. Anyway, I digress. How the hell did we get on this again? :insane:

[Kashinoda]

Does it matter how the hell he died? Millions of people are on this, and I havent heard any of them die/ become ill etc? Its funny how most of these critics are veggies or from corps selling diet foods (and loosing out)

[Virgin San]

There have been deaths that have been "linked to" the Atkins diet but its SO hard to point the finger at something like this - people live for scores of years and will only have been on the diet for a maximum of a handful of years - how can you categorically prove that their death was a result of their diet and not of their former lifestyle? Its not scientifically possible to prove irrefutably - but at the same time, you can't categorically say that this kind of "extreme" diet is NOT harmful either.

Common sense dictates that a balanced diet and lifestyle provide what is needed - if you are "dieting" then you are effectively self treating either an illness or a lifestyle deficiency and so its necessary, I don't think the Atkins diet would be recommended to people at the pinnacle of health.

And - add my thumbs up to the mods for sorting this place out - its great to see names of vets and mods in here that I've never seen before - kudos!

[Kashinoda]

Common sense dictates that a balanced diet and lifestyle provide what is needed - if you are "dieting" then you are effectively self treating either an illness or a lifestyle deficiency and so its necessary, I don't think the Atkins diet would be recommended to people at the pinnacle of health.

So if you wanna slim down a bit your either ill or messed up? (thats how I read it soz :P)

Also, there is no such thing as "pinnacle of health", every ones different, and atkins is a way to live :) Read the book, there are many levels of atkins according to what you want to loose or how healthy you are.

[Virgin San]

Yeah of course - I agree, everyones different. Though you wouldn't expect the book to say that "its a shite diet and its best if you don't use it" would you??!!!

"Ill or messed up" is a bit strong m8, not quite what I meant!!

Its a scary look at our social psyche to see something like the Atkins diet pop up and get a cult following of millions.

[jams]

Actually the book does say that its not for everyone and that certain people shouldn't be on it.

All I know is that I've personally lost a lot of weight on this diet. I have more energy than ever and I feel great. So why stick with a balanced diet, or at least what the government tells us is balanced, that makes me feel and look like crap?

Lets put it this way... the man was on his own diet for over 30 years, lived to be 72 and only died because he slipped on some ice. Who knows how long he would have lived otherwise.

Anyway while I did say that I love to debate this subject I do still have a lot to get done with the site. This will be my last comment on the subject for now.

[Virgin San]

I guess the important thing is that people find the solution that is best for themselves, both physically and mentally - theres a huge psychological factor that can't be overlooked, and diet schemes offer great psychological sustenance.

[Lazza]

Actually the biggest misinterpretation is that most critics concentrate on the 14 day induction period on Atkins that kick starts your metabolisim into burning fat for fuel. Now if somebody ate like that all the time taking in a max of 20 gms of carbs a day then yes it would be the most unhealthy and dangerous way of eating around.

But it is not like that after the 14 days are up at all, in fact IMHO it is a damn site more healthy than what the average person eats. People wrongly assume you should be eating platefulls of bacon and eggs and a pat of butter each day! :laugh:

I agree Elaine that Michelob Ultra is not that great but it still just about counts as a beer when you are desperate! :D As for spirits, as much as I love Makers Mark surely a Stoly and diet tonic is helthier on Atkins? http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/c0/evillaughter.gif

[Dave2986]

I dont remember starting this thread?

[emailrob]

have been on it for a year, lost just over a stone and have kept it all off.
Been sensible about it, eat lots of veg and get exercise.

[nimbles]

I dont remember starting this thread? :laugh:


From the london evening Standard

The Atkins diet has taken the human world by storm but now it has a new target - Britain's growing number of obese pets. The first Atkins-style diet for cats, nicknamed the "Catkins", has just been launched in Britain and a version for dogs is also on its way from the US.

As with the human Atkins plan, the pet diets advocate low-carbohydrate, highprotein intake, and makers claim they lead to swift weight loss - like Atkins.

However, David Yates, a vet with the RSPCA, said: "You just can't put a cat or dog on the Atkins - their requirements are very different, and it could prove dangerous." Lucy Postins, who invented the Honest Kitchen dog version, said: "We work on exactly the same principle. I think that while dogs do have different needs, they are all met by this diet."

A spokeswoman for Hill's, which makes the cat food, called m/d, said: "This is a medically proven diet. It may have similarities to the Atkins diet but it wasn't designed as a 'Catkins' diet."

Where's it gonna end?



Seriously though I've been thinking about doing it- god knows i need to- but being of asian origin, all the meals at home are based on carb based meals- e.g. rice, noodels, chppati's etc. I just can't imagine not having any carbs in your diet. But eating steak for breakie, lunch and dinner does seem quite appealing

[Lazza]

lmao @ nimbles post! :laugh:

[smokafatty]

My dog seriously needs a dogkins diet :)

[Templar]

Totally agree. People must read the book to understand how the process works. I started on Nov 11, '03 and have dropped 34 lbs, between then an the 1st week of Feb '04, and never felt better. Up around 50 grams of carbohydrate now, just to KEEP weight on. I do "occasionally" indulge in that plate of bacon and eggs though...just cuz I can.:gabby:



Actually the biggest misinterpretation is that most critics concentrate on the 14 day induction period on Atkins that kick starts your metabolisim into burning fat for fuel. Now if somebody ate like that all the time taking in a max of 20 gms of carbs a day then yes it would be the most unhealthy and dangerous way of eating around.

But it is not like that after the 14 days are up at all, in fact IMHO it is a damn site more healthy than what the average person eats. People wrongly assume you should be eating platefulls of bacon and eggs and a pat of butter each day! :laugh:

I agree Elaine that Michelob Ultra is not that great but it still just about counts as a beer when you are desperate! :D As for spirits, as much as I love Makers Mark surely a Stoly and diet tonic is helthier on Atkins? http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/c0/evillaughter.gif

[itsallgood]

I've been on the Atkins diet for some time now, lost lots of weight, but never managed to change the colour of those little sticks. ;)


People who bỉtch about Atkins being over weight when he died should realise he was an old man, I don’t think he would really be bothered what he looked like.



His diet works and for some reason lots of people are against it, it’s being blamed for everything now, just because the medical association don’t want to be proved wrong.



People that say it’s unhealthy: 1> its more healthy losing weight then being over weight. 2> You obviously don’t know anything about the diet, in the fact that you only seriously cut down your carbohydrates in the first two weeks, then you can start eating more normally again.



Im not getting at anyone here, I just think Atkins is being insulted for his diet for no reason, and there is lots of really good scientific evidence in the book that proves it works – its well worth reading before just deciding it’s unhealthy and causes heart attacks.


:cheers: