What fan and heatsink would u reccomend for p4 2.8 ghz prescott processor

[The Firemaster]

his is the 1 im getting and also want to buy the heatsink and fan from micro direct as well.
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.aspx?ProductID=5703&GroupID=440
Any advise which one please, bearing in mind I want a descent 1 for the job!
also on my mobo manual it says to use thermal tape rather than paste, is this correct!
Gigabyte GA-8IG1000MK mobo also from micro direct
Thanks in advance

[smokafatty]

Actually the stock p4 fans are pretty good for the average user. You should be ok unless you plan on overclocking.

Don't use tape, get yourself some arctec silver 5 its the best stuff out at the moment.
http://www.dvdrom-guide.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1739

[Mr Snatcher]

The stock hs/f is fine even if you are overclocking, and use arctic silver 5 as fatty mentioned

[DC Fisherman]

well, i have the same processor and it runs about 60 idle.

[The Firemaster]

I am right in thinking that it comes with heat sink and fan then?

Thanks in advance

[Mr Snatcher]

If its retail like in your link it will come with it. I would use some rubbing alcohol and a cloth and remove that crap they call thermal paste on the heat sink.

Fisherman, your running too hot for idle dude.

[Memphis]

Fisherman, your running too hot for idle dude.Agreed, even for a Prescott which is notorious for running hotter than the Northwood.

[DC Fisherman]

i know my processor is too hot, but i have no idea why. so should i dump the stock heatsink and fan and get a brand new one with put artic silver 5 on the processor?

[Memphis]

Really depends on what your cooling is like. The stock hsf should be adiquate provided there is enough air moving through your case.

Using some Arctic Silver will help, especially if you used the crappy thermal interface pad that comes stuck to the heatsink. Clean it off and get some proper stuff in there.

Next you need to look at case cooling. Do you have any case fans? How many? Intake or outake? Where exactly are they in the case?

[DC Fisherman]

i have 1 case fan and that's all i can squeeze in. so i have to open up the side window. the case i have is a full ATX case but not much room for case fans...

if i want to replace the cpu fan and heatsink, do i have to remove the thermal paste that is on the processor? if so then how?

[DC Fisherman]

i just did a 3dmark03 benchmark on my computer and i got 4466. i think this number is kinda low compare to what i have seen on the net. do u guys think this is a problem with the processor being overheat?

[DC Fisherman]

after i restart the computer, it went to 5970, which is pretty good i guess.

[The Firemaster]

Sorry to go off topic a bit what should the temp be for the processor, so I can keep an eye on it please!

[DC Fisherman]

i am not sure but for prescott it's about 45 and for northwood it's about 35. those are just very rough estimate of what i have seen.

[Neo]

DC are those the temps you get in wndows or in the bios? Or both?

[DC Fisherman]

in bios is about 60/61, in windows, i got somewhere from 55 to 65, usually is about 60.

[Mr Snatcher]

Sorry to go off topic a bit what should the temp be for the processor, so I can keep an eye on it please!
Its your topic!!!! :insane:

Fisherman - The problem isnt your heatsink or fan, its your case. If you only have room for one fan then replace the case. If your going to redo the cpu, you need to clean off any thermal compound... Rubbing (Ispoloyl or now ever you spell it)Alcohol will do, and do it gently.

FYI - I have a P4 3ghz Northwood overclocked to 3.35ghz and my idle temp is at 42, being used full blown at 46. That is with stock heatsink and fan and Antec silver compound. I also have 3 case fans 1 on the side, 1 blowing out in back and 1 blowing on the front.

[The Firemaster]

Mr snatcher do you think id be better off with the northwood processor then?

[Memphis]

TBH, there isn't enough of a speed increase by going with a Prescott to warrant the heat increase.

I dunno about Mr Snatcher, but I personally would still be buying the Northwood CPU's.

[Mr Snatcher]

There have been mixed reveiws on the prescott and its benchmarks, the northwood out performs in it in some cases. But the 1mb cache is a difference along with the .09. If you provide adequate cooling you should be fine with either processor. From what I heard the prescott overclocks better, but again thats just people talking.

[Neo]

The prescott will operate better as it gets overclocked more. It has a longer pipe line, and they operate much more efficently when clocked higher. If some branchy office app has an error, prescott has to clear it, and start over again. While a CPU with a shorter pipe line will be able to do this more effictivtly (amd 64, northwood). The prescott also has sse3, when program get recomplied to utilize it, there would be more efficincy. The prescott seems to just be the short lived CPU acting as bridge for the new intel socket T CPUs in my opinon.

[Mr Snatcher]

The prescott seems to just be the short lived CPU acting as bridge for the new intel socket T CPUs in my opinon.
It will be short lived. Read many articles about that. The grantsdale will be next and soon they say.

Forgot to mention my buddy just bought the 2.8 prescott 2 weeks ago, he says the temp is 42 at idle and 48 when doing a dvd rip. He has the same exact setup as me,(except the processor, mine is northwood) he liked my clear case and setup, he bought one too.

[DC Fisherman]

Its your topic!!!! :insane:

Fisherman - The problem isnt your heatsink or fan, its your case. If you only have room for one fan then replace the case. If your going to redo the cpu, you need to clean off any thermal compound... Rubbing (Ispoloyl or now ever you spell it)Alcohol will do, and do it gently.

FYI - I have a P4 3ghz Northwood overclocked to 3.35ghz and my idle temp is at 42, being used full blown at 46. That is with stock heatsink and fan and Antec silver compound. I also have 3 case fans 1 on the side, 1 blowing out in back and 1 blowing on the front.
The side window of my case has been taken off, so right now, i don't think there is any problem with airflow. the thing is when i touch the heatsink, i don't feel too hot, and i am sure the heatsink temp is not even close to 60. so i might get the heatsink off the wipe off the thermal paste with rubbing alcohol. but how do i clean the CPU? same rubbing alcohol as well?

[Mr Snatcher]

yup, be careful though, not to over soak so it drips into the processor. In case you do you should let it dry. When appling paste, use a razor blade and put on a small amount and spread it thin and evenly.

[smokafatty]

Hey snatchey you have a clear pc? If it looks as cool as it sounds can you post a pic in the modding forum for us please? :)

Are you sure thats how its supposed to be done? On the arctic site they say its better not to cover the entire chip I think.

[Mr Snatcher]

Sure, Its posted in the case modding section. I dont think its that cool anymore, I ve had it for 4 months now, bored I guess.

Yes, You should cover the whole processor. Should leave a little room on the edges for overflow.

[The Firemaster]

Pick your brains again please mr snatcher, im in the market for a fairly good case and processor for this pc im building but dont want to pay too much what would you reccomend, I want one with enough power to run a dvd rom, cd writer, dvd writer and for ripping dvd's so needs some mounts for fans to ensure adequate cooling!. What psu would u reccomend for the job as well please m8, sorry for the 20 questions. would this case do the job? Silver Raidmax Scorpio 868 420w Case link: http://raidmax.com/products/products_display.php?page_no=3&cID=1&pID=7

[Neo]

A case is a case. We can't pick one out for you. What ever floats your boat is what you should choose.

[Memphis]

But whatever you do, DO NOT BUY THAT CASE you've linked to. I have one, believe me, you'll regret it. Especially if you use the power supply.

(Long story but basically, by using the CHEAP P-O-S power supply that comes in the case, I managed to blow up around £300 worth of hardware, some of it in spectacular style - the hard drive physically caught fire. Actually, TWO hard drives physically caught fire! Oh, and I know that I'm not the only one to experience this kind of problem with this case. There are many other flaws with it also.)

[Mr Snatcher]

But whatever you do, DO NOT BUY THAT CASE you've linked to. I have one, believe me, you'll regret it. Especially if you use the power supply.

(Long story but basically, by using the CHEAP P-O-S power supply that comes in the case, I managed to blow up around £300 worth of hardware, some of it in spectacular style - the hard drive physically caught fire. Actually, TWO hard drives physically caught fire! Oh, and I know that I'm not the only one to experience this kind of problem with this case. There are many other flaws with it also.)
I second that, My bud has the full tower version, power supply was causing all sorts of problems.

Firemaster: As wiz said a case is a case, find something you like. If the case comes with a psu then yank it. For a power supply I would suggest Enermax or Antec 400w min. As for a processor go with a P4 2.4C 800fsb(Northwood) Its probably Intel's best overclocking processor. If your looking into a mobo, I like Abit IS-7 or IC-7 sereis.

[Neo]

Not if you get a respectable Antec case that comes with a PSU. Those are good.

[Mr Snatcher]

Not if you get a respectable Antec case that comes with a PSU. Those are good.
Well ya, I should have mentioned that.

[The Firemaster]

thanks for that Im glad im a member here could of been a very expensive lesson ill have a butchers at those psu's youve suggested and find a resonabally priced one

[The Firemaster]

wheres the best place to buy an antec case with psu? 400watt min please. Thanks again you are all a great source of information

[The Firemaster]

Antec Plus 1080AMG Metallic Gray File Server Case
this case looks good from overclockers comes with 480watt truepower psu nearly 100 pound though!

[Memphis]

If your looking for a cheap power supply and case, you can forget about anything with quality.

A decent case and power supply bought seperatly can run over £200.

[The Firemaster]

Antec Plus 1080AMG Metallic Gray File Server Case
this case looks good from overclockers comes with 480watt truepower psu nearly 100 pound though!ive read good reports on this 1, seems quite reasonable to me

[Mr Snatcher]

As what Memphis said a decent case and power supply bought seperatly can be expensive. That Antec case you mentioned should be fine, I would only imagine it will have an antec power supply.

[The Firemaster]

yes it has an antec psu m8 thanks for the help